Quote Investigator® – Page 3 – Tracing Quotations

Quote Origin: Peace Has Its Victories, But It Takes Brave Men and Women To Win Them

Ralph Waldo Emerson? Mary Allette Ayer? Young People’s Weekly? John Milton? Kin Hubbard? Anonymous?

**Peace dove carrying an olive branch from Pixabay**

Question for Quote Investigator: Here are the first and last sentences of an inspirational passage:

Whatever you do, you need courage … Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men and women to win them.

This passage has been credited to the transcendental philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson, but I am skeptical because I have never seen a solid citation. Would you please explore this topic?

Reply from Quote Investigator: QI has found no substantive evidence that Ralph Waldo Emerson composed this passage. Emerson died in 1882.

The earliest match located by QI appeared in the 1908 collection “Keep Up Your Courage: Key-Notes to Success” edited by Mary Allette Ayer. The accompanying acknowledgement pointed to a popular periodical for children. The author was not precisely identified. The final sentence used the word “men” instead of the phrase “men and women”. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is always some one to tell you you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising which tempt you to believe that your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to the end, requires some of the same courage which a soldier needs. Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men to win them.
—Young People’s Weekly.

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Quip Origin: There Are More Horses’ Asses Than Horses

Will Rogers? Jack Kerouac? Joseph Gurney Cannon? G. Gordon Liddy? Anonymous?

**Picture of two horses in Iceland from Unsplash**

Question for Quote Investigator: Each horse has exactly one posterior, and this fact produces a confounding paradox. Why are there more horses’ asses than horses?

This wordplay quip has been attributed to humorist Will Rogers, novelist Jack Kerouac, politician Joseph Cannon, Watergate conspirator G. Gordon Liddy, and others. Would you please explore this topic?

Reply from Quote Investigator: The earliest match located by QI appeared in 1931 within the Chicago, Illinois sporting periodical “Collyer’s Eye and The Baseball World” . The joke was attributed to Joseph Gurney Cannon who served in the U.S. Congress for decades and became a powerful Speaker of the House. He died in 1926. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

… Old “Uncle Joe” Cannon’s saying, that peculiar as it may seem, “there are more horses asses in the world than horses.”

QI has not yet found any direct evidence that Cannon employed this quip although he is the leading candidate. The ascription to Will Rogers has no substantive support. Jack Kerouac did use the quip after it was already in circulation.

QI hypothesizes that the joke evolved from an earlier gag comparing the number of asses and horses.

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Adage Origin: All Things Are Difficult, Before They Are Easy

Thomas Fuller? Saadi Shīrāzī? Moncure Daniel Conway? Anonymous?

**Barbells used for weight training from Pixabay**

Question for Quote Investigator: Developing knowledge and skills takes time and effort. There is no shortcut for obtaining crucial capabilities. Here is a pertinent adage:

Everything is difficult before it becomes easy.

This saying has been attributed to the 18^th century British physician Thomas Fuller and the 13^th century Persian poet Saadi Shīrāzī. Would you please explore this topic?

Reply from Quote Investigator: The earliest match known to QI appeared in the 1732 collection “Gnomologia: Adagies and Proverbs; Wise Sentences and Witty Sayings” compiled by Thomas Fuller. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

All things are difficult, before they are easy.

The adage has often been attributed to Thomas Fuller, and he did help to popularize the statement. However, Fuller was primarily a collector and not a crafter of sayings. The original creator remains anonymous.

QI believes that the attribution to Saadi Shīrāzī was based on a misreading of an 1874 citation. Details are given further below. Here are additional selected citations in chronological order.

Quote Origin: Elephants and Authors Have Long, Vicious Memories

William S. Burroughs? Allen Ginsberg? Sam Kashner? Apocryphal?

Question for Quote Investigator: Prominent authors can be ornery and unforgiving. Apparently, a well-known writer said:

Elephants and authors have long, vicious memories.

This statement has been attributed to William S. Burroughs, the controversial Beat Generation author of “Naked Lunch”, “The Ticket That Exploded”, and “Junkie”. Would you please help me to find a citation?

Reply from Quote Investigator: This remark appeared in a letter from William S. Burroughs to the poet Allen Ginsberg dated April 26, 1952. The letter was reprinted in the 1993 collection “The Letters of William S. Burroughs: 1945-1959”. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

… Also discouraged and hurt, because of Marker and I got no relaxation, nobody to talk to. I shouldn’t be crowded like this. Elephants and authors have long, vicious memories.

In 2009 Sam Kashner published “When I Was Cool: My Life at the Jack Kerouac School: A Memoir”. Kashner described traveling in a car with Burroughs, Ginsberg, and others. Kashner ascribed the quotation to Burroughs:²

“Writers, like elephants, have long, vicious memories,” Burroughs said. “There are things I wish I could forget.”

I, on the other hand, wanted to remember everything about being in the car with these men, though how strange we must have looked to the other motorists who glanced over suspiciously at us when the traffic slowed.

In conclusion, William S. Burroughs deserves credit for this remark. He included it in a 1952 letter to his fellow Beat Generation author Allen Ginsberg.

Image Notes: Family in elephants in Addo Elephant National Park. Picture from Tobin Rogers at Unsplash. The image has been cropped and resized.

Acknowledgement: Great thanks to the anonymous person whose inquiry led QI to formulate this question and perform this exploration.

1993, The Letters of William S. Burroughs: 1945-1959 by William S. Burroughs, Edited by Oliver Harris, Letter To: Allen Ginsberg, Letter From: William S. Burroughs, Letter Date: April 26, 1952, Start Page 122, Quote Page 123, Penguin Books USA, New York. (Verified with scans) ↩︎
2009, When I Was Cool: My Life at the Jack Kerouac School: A Memoir by Sam Kashner, Chapter 26: Burroughs and the Box, Quote Page 155, HarperCollins Publishers, New York. (Verified with scans) ↩︎

Quote Origin: Lots of People Have Terrible Taste and Make a Damn Good Living Off of It

Diana Vreeland? Christopher Hemphill? Valerie Steele? Marion Hume?

**Clothing display at a retail store from Unsplash**

Question for Quote Investigator: Apparently, a prominent fashion maven asserted that an obsession with good taste was misguided because a person with “terrible taste” could make a “damn good living” selling items.

This notion has been attributed to Diana Vreeland who was the editor-in-chief at Vogue in the 1960s. I do not recall the exact phrasing. Would you please help me to find a citation?

Reply from Quote Investigator: In 1980 Diana Vreeland with Christopher Hemphill published an over-sized fashion photography book titled “Allure”. The work included extensive commentary from Vreeland. She described an encounter with a young journalist in Boston, Massachusetts in 1979. Boldface added to excepts by QI:¹

In Boston a few weeks ago, I had another question thrown at me. “You see, in Boston,” the girl began, “anyone who’s well-dressed is considered in bad taste…”

Vreeland was irritated by this claim and indicated that it was a foolish viewpoint. Further, Vreeland made a provocative comment about “good taste” and “terrible taste”:

“But why do you worry about good taste?” I said. “That’s part of the problem—the worry, the eternal worry. Lots of people have terrible taste, you know, and make a damn good living off of it.”

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Quote Origin: Blue Jeans Are the Most Beautiful Things Since the Gondola

Diana Vreeland? Christopher Hemphill? Eleanor Dwight? Apocryphal?

**Painting “The Gondola” by Frederick Walker from 1868**

Question for Quote Investigator: A powerful fashion maven was asked about blue jeans, and the response was surprising:

They’re the most beautiful things since the gondola.

This remark has been attributed to Diana Vreeland who worked at “Harper’s Bazaar” from 1936 to 1963 followed by a job at “Vogue” from 1963 to 1971 where she became the editor-in-chief. Is this comment about blue jeans genuine?

Reply from Quote Investigator: In 1980 Diana Vreeland with Christopher Hemphill published an over-sized fashion photography book titled “Allure”. The work included extensive commentary from Vreeland. She stated that during interviews hostile journalists asked absurd questions and attempted to get her to say that fashion was dead. Boldface added to excepts by QI:¹

“What do you think…of blue jeans,” they say.

Of course, they expect me to release myself and say, “Oh, they’re terrible! They’ve killed fashion!” Whereas, actually, blue jeans are the only things that have kept fashion alive because they’re made of a marvelous fabric and they have fit and dash and line…the only important ingredients of fashion.

So I always say the same thing. I say, “They’re the most beautiful things since the gondola,” and leave it at that.

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Article About the Quote Investigator at the Big Think Website

Journalist Kevin Dickinson of the website Big Think interviewed me and wrote a wonderful article about quotations and misquotations. The article is titled: Einstein didn’t say that: How viral misquotes evolve and replicate. Click here to read the article.

Quote Origin: Experience Is What You Get While Looking For Something Else

Mary Pettibone Poole? John Lennon? Randy Pausch? William Lundigan? Anonymous?

**Volcanic eruption in Iceland from Unsplash**

Question for Quote Investigator: A clever saying states that experience in life is obtained indirectly. Here are two versions:

(1) Experience is what you get while looking for something else.
(2) Experience is what you get when you don’t get what you want.

This saying has been attributed to computer scientist Randy Pausch, aphorism collector Mary Pettibone Poole, and musician John Lennon. Would you please explore this topic?

Reply from Quote Investigator: The earliest close match known to QI appeared in the “Toledo Weekly Blade” of Ohio on May 10, 1923. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

Experience is what you get while you are looking for something else.

The creator was anonymous. Mary Pettibone Poole included the saying in a 1938 collection, but the saying was already in circulation. Randy Pausch included the saying in “The Last Lecture” in 2008. Pausch heard the statement while working at a videogame company. John Lennon implausibly received credit in 1997.

Adage Origin: Whatever Is Worth Doing Is Worth Overdoing

Steven Tyler? Keble Howard? George E. Waring Jr.? Henry Stanley Haskins? Robert Heinlein? Lord Chesterfield? Anonymous?

**Painting titled “The Swing” by Jean-Honore Fragonard circa 1767**

Question for Quote Investigator: The following adage celebrates enthusiasm and exuberance:

Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

This saying has been attributed to the rock star Steven Tyler and science fiction author Robert Heinlein. Would you please help me to trace this saying?

Reply from Quote Investigator: The first match known to QI appeared in an 1867 book about drainage systems by sanitary engineer George E. Waring Jr. who designed the drainage for Central Park in New York City. Waring employed the saying while suggesting that the pipes were too large in many existing systems. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

A common impression seems to prevail, that if a 2-inch pipe is good, a 3-inch pipe must be better, and that, generally, if draining is worth doing at all, it is worth overdoing; while the great importance of having perfectly fitting connections is not readily perceived. The general result is, that most of the tile-draining in this country has been too expensive for economy, and too careless for lasting efficiency.

The next match appeared in 1895 within “The Evening News” of London, England. The domain was stock market trading, and the creator was anonymous:²

Whatever is worth doing, according to the Stock Exchange, is worth overdoing, and so it came about that Canadian Pacific shares were knocked down nearly six points yesterday on a piece of news that was at any rate expected in some quarters.

In 1906 “The North Adams Transcript” of Massachusetts printed a general instance which was not tied to a specific domain:³

We are very apt, in this day and nation, to act as though we held to the principle that what is worth doing is worth overdoing. It is this passion for extremes that is involved, a passion which the Transcript has more than once referred to as perhaps the chief danger of the nation…

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Quote Origin: Elegance Is Refusal

Coco Chanel? Diana Vreeland? Francine du Plessix Gray? Anonymous?

**Illustration of jewelry from Unsplash**

Question for Quote Investigator: Statements about stylish clothing and beautiful furnishings are often opaque. Here is an example:

Elegance is refusal.

This statement has been attributed to two prominent fashion mavens: Coco Chanel and Diana Vreeland. I have never seen a solid citation. Would you please help trace this saying?

Reply from Quote Investigator: QI has found no substantive evidence that Coco Chanel employed this statement. She died in 1971 and received credit by 2000.

Diana Vreeland worked at “Harper’s Bazaar” from 1936 to 1963 followed by a job at “Vogue” from 1963 to 1971 where she became the editor-in-chief. Later she acted as a special consultant to The Costume Institute of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

In 1980 Vreeland with Christopher Hemphill published an over-sized fashion photography book titled “Allure”. The work included commentary from Vreeland about fashion. Boldface added to excerpts by QI:¹

“Fashion is a passing thing—a thing of fancy, fantasy, and feeling. Elegance is innate. It has nothing to do with being well-dressed. It’s a quality possessed by certain thoughts and certain animals.

Vreeland mentioned two exemplars of elegance: an animal and an actress. Next, she employed the saying under examination:

So I said, “Gazelles have elegance. And Audrey Hepburn — magnificently.” Then I said something I’ve always known. I don’t know who it’s a quote from. I didn’t get it from you, shall we say, and I didn’t make it up, but I’ve known it all my life.
“Elegance,” I said, “is refusal.”

Interestingly, Vreeland suggested that she was not the creator of the saying, but somehow she had known it her entire life.

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